The only ‘plan’ that would end the Israel-Palestine conflict is if all the Jews in the region left (and go where?) or were killed (the preferred option). That’s the only thing most Palestinians want because that’s all they’ve ever been taught to want. They’re not interested in peaceful coexistence or two-state solutions. Anyone who doesn’t believe me can watch The Ask Project on YouTube and hear it straight from the horses’ mouthes:
A poll by the Jewish People Policy Institute found that approximately 80% of Jewish Israelis agreed with the proposal that Palestinians in Gaza should move to another country.
Firstly, that was some serious statistical mumbo jumbo that contradicted itself left, right and centre.
Secondly, you're talking about how Israelis feel about Palestinians in Gaza at this current moment - post October 7, post the hostages (50+ of which they're still holding, although half are probably dead) and post this war and the need to rebuild Gaza and get rid of those f***ing terror tunnels they should never have been allowed to build with billions of dollars in foreign aid in the first place. That's completely different to how Israelis feel about Palestinians in general - including those in the West Bank - and have felt about them since Israel was established in 1948. The majority have always wanted peaceful coexistence and still do. The majority of Palestinians, on the other hand, have always wanted a genocide of the Jews and still do. As I said, just watch video after video of The Ask Project on YouTube and you'll see. There's a distinct difference between how Israelis talk about Palestinians and how Palestinians talk about Israelis.
Finally, do you really blame Israelis for wanting Palestinians in Gaza removed at this point in time? They don't want to harm them. In fact, many would probably jump at the chance to get out of Gaza and move on with their lives. (You can't call it an 'open air prison' for 20 years and then cry 'ethnic cleansing' when you're given the option to leave.) And they don't necessarily want them gone forever. They just don't want to live next door to a jihadi terrorism launch pad. The 'land for peace' project in Gaza failed. Totally, utterly and completely failed. It was the antithesis of 'holding up your end of the bargain'. It's time for a different approach. But Trump's 'plan' is to be taken with a grain of salt right now. We're no where near knowing what's in store for Gaza. Hamas is still in power and still holding hostages.
Elly you’re exactly right. Most people don’t even understand or know the true history of. The whole Middle East is nothing but Muslims now because they slaughtered everyone who once lived there. Islam is a disease that needs wiped out
Your data was contradictory and lacked nuance. Yet you seemed to think it made some kind of definitive point. What point was that? That both sides are equally to blame? F*** no, they're not. Not even close.
Unfortunately the Palestinians will allow peace. That’s been proven time and time again. The Arab nations need to let them go live there. It’s the Islamic religion to kill Jews and Christians.
That is strange because before Zionist terrorists and mass killing History reports that Muslims, Christians, and Jews all lived in peace in Palestine. Palestinian Christians and their Churches were murdered and bombed by genocidal Zionists as easily as israeli snipers execute a line of terrorized lost children crying for their dead parents under the rubble of another dishonorable murdering jet dropping bombs from a distance that does not make them soil-themselves, out of range, unlike the land based israelis that soil their underwear when they may face real soldiers that would die to kill one or many genocidal child-women-oldmen murdering israeli soldiers.
Yemen, Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, are the only unenslaved by Satanic Talmud Zionists, the only honorable soldiers that are fighting and blockading israel to stop the genocide, while our Sick soul-dead and putrid Western Feminized castrated GreatSatan Empire, and all the Arab Zionist rulers like Saudi, like Jordan, like Quatar and their pro-Zionist Al Jazeera news, and many more rulers that israel bribes with USA billions a year to repress their Arab populations. And everywhere mothers hire Witches to torture to death our babies and destroy fatherhood, manhood, families, children and themselves, India for example, make noises at the UN supporting genocide general and security counsels, with judges thumbs up anus waiting for the Zionists to say it's time to release the blindingly clear Genocidal ruling at which point we all understand that the UN has always been global Zionist OWG machine from Hell.
Josh is excellent as always at the 'slow burn' taking apart the bias but it's both sad that he has to constantly virtue signal about the 'brutality of Gaza war' - after he's previously spent a whole episode explaining the cynicism and responsibility of Hamas and others for the deaths of innocent civilians, but I digress.
Taking the argument further - for those who actually care about real living Palestinans or peace - this bullshit unprofessional soft antisemitism in mainstream media is partly responsible for the lack of peace. Allowing Hamas to avoid any responsibility, ignoring their agency allows the suffering of everyone to continue.
Imagine if the whole world blamed Hamas and on October 8th insisted that Hamas release all the hostages unconditionally, that Egypt allow all women and children to leave the Gaza strip temporarily so that the IDF can defeat and disarm Hamas. Imagine how many fewer Gazans would have died? Imagine how much shorter this war would be and how fewer damage there would be to Gaza.
The western media and the 'useful idiots' who indulge this kind of absurd 'magic peace plans' - which is really a surrender document are part of the reason we don't have peace and that terror continues against Israel. For Hamas the world is also an audience...and those of us who can think more openly should be far angrier at this cynicism.
Josh - you were too kind to the journalist. He should lose his job for such pathetic 'activism' pretending to be journalism.
David feel free to read my comment(s) reasoning out the Apologetics of why Oct7th Hamas well executed military mission to capture hostages to trade for the over 1000 Palestinians hostages israeli holding and torturing and murdering and stripping of organs in prisons without trials, men, women, and children, that Hamas hoped to get released.
Oct7th lies from israeli and genodcal Zionist supporters have been shown to be lies; no beheaded babies, no preg. women cut open, no rapes, no babies in ovens, (no babies thrown out of incubators, no WMD, .. oh, other lies from another war for Zionism), most or all non-military and many military israeli killed were by the 'Hannibal Doctrine' where military to kill other israelis citizens or soldiers that may be taken as hostages.
Who caused Oct7th and every death and mutilation and horror that day and since? 75+ years of Zionists terrorism and mass killings, increasingly bolder until Gazan killings were to showcase and test new vile weapons with video of Palestinians being killed and video in horrible ways with video to show and tell how their weapons work so well that screaming horrendous evil murders of brothers, fathers, uncles, sons, .. will turn even passivists like castrated Western men into rage filled beasts willing to rip the throats out with own teeth and fingers of such inhuman satanic monster Zionists, dangers to all loved living people and things. Perhaps.
And imagine, David, if genocidal Zionists and their supporters were someplace safe, like in graves, how much evil would the world not suffer endlessly?
Interesting you think mass rape, hacking people's genitils off and murder of children in front of their parents and vice versa counts as 'well executed'. I guess if you believe Jews are subhumans and must all be murdered brutally to being about some fanatical religious 'victory' and send you to heaven - then yes, I suppose that might make sense.
I generally don't think that a terrorist who was convicted of killing civilians, planning to or other crimes in the fair civil justice system of a democracy is a 'hostage' of equivalence to the Bibas family ...toddlers and their mother taken from their beds for doing what exactly??
Hamas doesn't give a shit about the prisoners - except to the extent that getting them out makes them look better than the P.A in the eyes of the average Palestinan. If they cared - they would have swapped all for all 24hrs after Oct 7th - not retreates to their tunnels, using Gazans as human shields and then starved and murdered a bunch of hostages in the process.
I don't know what funky propagandist shit you have been swallowing but 5mins listening to what Hamas leaders say in Arabic on Al Jazeera would contradict everything you have said.
Seriously Josh, Marwan Barghouti!! A Mandela like figure? He is a terrorist serving 5 life sentences for masterminding several deadly attacks in the second intifada. You say Palestinians have a reasonable peace building individual in this man but Israel has no one? Wtf? Once you said this, I must admit I could not listen to the rest.
And when you kept saying the Israel “regime” it was not clear which regime. The current one? Because you used that phrase in contexts when the current government was not in government. So have all Israeli governments been unacceptable? And are all members of the current “regime” unacceptable too?
You also refer to the current war as a “corrupt war” with no mention of what began it ; a savage bloodbath by Hamas against civilians, intimate eye to eye personal violence. What is corrupt about it? I’m sorry but I had to switch off because those gently scattered “mis-speaks” do similar things you are saying the ABC is doing
Is this guy serious? I recall lots of people going on about “not all Muslims” every time a bus full of commuters blew up and all the bogus fears about anti-Muslim pograms that were sure to break out any day now (but never did) following the latest beheading of a school teacher, reporter or tourist. But in this telling all Jews worldwide are responsible for what Netanyahu does? If he’s serious I hope he won’t pretend that he’ll treat Jews any differently if they do what he demands. Jew hatred always keeps the goalposts on wheels. He’ll just find something else to blame on them.
I often don’t have the attention span or stamina to watch long broadcasts but I did watch this one. Thank you- I hope others did as well. Not so different in US.
Josh, I wish everyone talked about problems as complicated as this in the way you do, entertaining every nuance, understanding every complex varying interest and influence bearing on the whole difficult incredibly intractable knot. There’s no solution at the end, but understanding the extent of the difficulty, I have to believe, is an essential step to getting to one. And very few provide that step quite like you. The ABC is certainly currently broken if they don’t want the likes of you on board.
So based on some selective evidence your view essentially is that all Palestinians must be killed. To say that none of them want peace is to say they are all legitimate targets. It’s true that a lot of Palestinians are not interested in two state solutions just like a lot of Israelis are not… like all people there are a range of opinions. You are allowing the debate to be controlled by the extremes - as we see clearly in Israeli political life nowadays
Many people think that israeli 75+ years of terrorism and mass murder and these 16 months of genocide has been a history and present that Cries to God to remove nationhood from Zionist Supremist, and if they are referring to his and many israelis deaths if Iran use missiles, then they are stating the likely truth.
For perspective;
If someone drove me and my family from my house and land and decided to form a new nation that removed my rights and locked me in an open air prison where new military weapons were tested and videos of those I care about or identify with are videoed dying horribly to sell those weapons and to reduce the captured tormented and tortured population, etc. .. then some elite person living off our land, our blood, our tortured people and the tax money of some enslaved other nation and that recent polls indicate 90% of the citizens of that genocidal nation support their actions of war-crimes and 16 months of mass killings so many people .. WTF is wrong with people in this level of hell, you can not do what I just outlined, image the Palestinians as human beings like you and me and the Holy Pig-shit Zionists and the USA and the world has done to them, walk in their shoes and you too might start thinking nuke WWIII killing 3+ billions might be a small price to pay for the survivors to be free of this world-wide Satanic Zionist grip of suffering, torment, corruptions, horrors, war, murder, torture, death and Hell those soul-eating Demons wrapped in human skin, ..
.. I might suggest that such life-soul-blood sucking demonic-controlled people could all be tied to a post that thanked, again, and again with ice-picks to their bodies and heads.
What kind of mind-raped castrated belly-crawling Zionist-strap-on licker would not think and feel this general way? You?
But since it seems like his insane Zionist Supremacists leaders and gov are likely to attack Iran that their thousands of missiles might be sent to level israel. Then a warning of the type that many or most israelis will die soon seems like a relevant statement holding high probability of truth.
Also, I think Josh suggested that the Golan Heights was “retaken” by Israel, suggesting it was originally part of Israel. My understanding is that Golan was part of the French mandate part of the Syrian Republic from 1946. If I have misheard Josh and/or have the history wrong, please set me straight.
The only ‘plan’ that would end the Israel-Palestine conflict is if all the Jews in the region left (and go where?) or were killed (the preferred option). That’s the only thing most Palestinians want because that’s all they’ve ever been taught to want. They’re not interested in peaceful coexistence or two-state solutions. Anyone who doesn’t believe me can watch The Ask Project on YouTube and hear it straight from the horses’ mouthes:
https://youtube.com/@coreygilshusteraskproject
A poll by the Jewish People Policy Institute found that approximately 80% of Jewish Israelis agreed with the proposal that Palestinians in Gaza should move to another country.
Link?
https://jppi.org.il/en/סקר-החברה-הישראלית-לחודש-פברואר-רוב-גד/
“Altogether, more than eight out of ten Jewish Israelis support the plan.”
I suggest google or chatgpt to find other sources if you interested in further learning. Let me know if you need a brief tutorial.
Firstly, that was some serious statistical mumbo jumbo that contradicted itself left, right and centre.
Secondly, you're talking about how Israelis feel about Palestinians in Gaza at this current moment - post October 7, post the hostages (50+ of which they're still holding, although half are probably dead) and post this war and the need to rebuild Gaza and get rid of those f***ing terror tunnels they should never have been allowed to build with billions of dollars in foreign aid in the first place. That's completely different to how Israelis feel about Palestinians in general - including those in the West Bank - and have felt about them since Israel was established in 1948. The majority have always wanted peaceful coexistence and still do. The majority of Palestinians, on the other hand, have always wanted a genocide of the Jews and still do. As I said, just watch video after video of The Ask Project on YouTube and you'll see. There's a distinct difference between how Israelis talk about Palestinians and how Palestinians talk about Israelis.
Finally, do you really blame Israelis for wanting Palestinians in Gaza removed at this point in time? They don't want to harm them. In fact, many would probably jump at the chance to get out of Gaza and move on with their lives. (You can't call it an 'open air prison' for 20 years and then cry 'ethnic cleansing' when you're given the option to leave.) And they don't necessarily want them gone forever. They just don't want to live next door to a jihadi terrorism launch pad. The 'land for peace' project in Gaza failed. Totally, utterly and completely failed. It was the antithesis of 'holding up your end of the bargain'. It's time for a different approach. But Trump's 'plan' is to be taken with a grain of salt right now. We're no where near knowing what's in store for Gaza. Hamas is still in power and still holding hostages.
Elly you’re exactly right. Most people don’t even understand or know the true history of. The whole Middle East is nothing but Muslims now because they slaughtered everyone who once lived there. Islam is a disease that needs wiped out
All I did was present the current data that supported my simple statement. The data stands.
Your data was contradictory and lacked nuance. Yet you seemed to think it made some kind of definitive point. What point was that? That both sides are equally to blame? F*** no, they're not. Not even close.
Unfortunately the Palestinians will allow peace. That’s been proven time and time again. The Arab nations need to let them go live there. It’s the Islamic religion to kill Jews and Christians.
That is strange because before Zionist terrorists and mass killing History reports that Muslims, Christians, and Jews all lived in peace in Palestine. Palestinian Christians and their Churches were murdered and bombed by genocidal Zionists as easily as israeli snipers execute a line of terrorized lost children crying for their dead parents under the rubble of another dishonorable murdering jet dropping bombs from a distance that does not make them soil-themselves, out of range, unlike the land based israelis that soil their underwear when they may face real soldiers that would die to kill one or many genocidal child-women-oldmen murdering israeli soldiers.
Yemen, Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, are the only unenslaved by Satanic Talmud Zionists, the only honorable soldiers that are fighting and blockading israel to stop the genocide, while our Sick soul-dead and putrid Western Feminized castrated GreatSatan Empire, and all the Arab Zionist rulers like Saudi, like Jordan, like Quatar and their pro-Zionist Al Jazeera news, and many more rulers that israel bribes with USA billions a year to repress their Arab populations. And everywhere mothers hire Witches to torture to death our babies and destroy fatherhood, manhood, families, children and themselves, India for example, make noises at the UN supporting genocide general and security counsels, with judges thumbs up anus waiting for the Zionists to say it's time to release the blindingly clear Genocidal ruling at which point we all understand that the UN has always been global Zionist OWG machine from Hell.
Uhhhh, are you trying to do satire here? Or trolling? How does one read back any of that comment and think “yeah, that makes sense”
Sorry won’t allow peace
Last check no white flag has been waived by Hamas and they are still 60+ hostages captive.
Stop being duplicitous about what is and is not happening.
Josh is excellent as always at the 'slow burn' taking apart the bias but it's both sad that he has to constantly virtue signal about the 'brutality of Gaza war' - after he's previously spent a whole episode explaining the cynicism and responsibility of Hamas and others for the deaths of innocent civilians, but I digress.
Taking the argument further - for those who actually care about real living Palestinans or peace - this bullshit unprofessional soft antisemitism in mainstream media is partly responsible for the lack of peace. Allowing Hamas to avoid any responsibility, ignoring their agency allows the suffering of everyone to continue.
Imagine if the whole world blamed Hamas and on October 8th insisted that Hamas release all the hostages unconditionally, that Egypt allow all women and children to leave the Gaza strip temporarily so that the IDF can defeat and disarm Hamas. Imagine how many fewer Gazans would have died? Imagine how much shorter this war would be and how fewer damage there would be to Gaza.
The western media and the 'useful idiots' who indulge this kind of absurd 'magic peace plans' - which is really a surrender document are part of the reason we don't have peace and that terror continues against Israel. For Hamas the world is also an audience...and those of us who can think more openly should be far angrier at this cynicism.
Josh - you were too kind to the journalist. He should lose his job for such pathetic 'activism' pretending to be journalism.
David feel free to read my comment(s) reasoning out the Apologetics of why Oct7th Hamas well executed military mission to capture hostages to trade for the over 1000 Palestinians hostages israeli holding and torturing and murdering and stripping of organs in prisons without trials, men, women, and children, that Hamas hoped to get released.
Oct7th lies from israeli and genodcal Zionist supporters have been shown to be lies; no beheaded babies, no preg. women cut open, no rapes, no babies in ovens, (no babies thrown out of incubators, no WMD, .. oh, other lies from another war for Zionism), most or all non-military and many military israeli killed were by the 'Hannibal Doctrine' where military to kill other israelis citizens or soldiers that may be taken as hostages.
Who caused Oct7th and every death and mutilation and horror that day and since? 75+ years of Zionists terrorism and mass killings, increasingly bolder until Gazan killings were to showcase and test new vile weapons with video of Palestinians being killed and video in horrible ways with video to show and tell how their weapons work so well that screaming horrendous evil murders of brothers, fathers, uncles, sons, .. will turn even passivists like castrated Western men into rage filled beasts willing to rip the throats out with own teeth and fingers of such inhuman satanic monster Zionists, dangers to all loved living people and things. Perhaps.
And imagine, David, if genocidal Zionists and their supporters were someplace safe, like in graves, how much evil would the world not suffer endlessly?
Interesting you think mass rape, hacking people's genitils off and murder of children in front of their parents and vice versa counts as 'well executed'. I guess if you believe Jews are subhumans and must all be murdered brutally to being about some fanatical religious 'victory' and send you to heaven - then yes, I suppose that might make sense.
I generally don't think that a terrorist who was convicted of killing civilians, planning to or other crimes in the fair civil justice system of a democracy is a 'hostage' of equivalence to the Bibas family ...toddlers and their mother taken from their beds for doing what exactly??
Hamas doesn't give a shit about the prisoners - except to the extent that getting them out makes them look better than the P.A in the eyes of the average Palestinan. If they cared - they would have swapped all for all 24hrs after Oct 7th - not retreates to their tunnels, using Gazans as human shields and then starved and murdered a bunch of hostages in the process.
I don't know what funky propagandist shit you have been swallowing but 5mins listening to what Hamas leaders say in Arabic on Al Jazeera would contradict everything you have said.
Seriously Josh, Marwan Barghouti!! A Mandela like figure? He is a terrorist serving 5 life sentences for masterminding several deadly attacks in the second intifada. You say Palestinians have a reasonable peace building individual in this man but Israel has no one? Wtf? Once you said this, I must admit I could not listen to the rest.
And when you kept saying the Israel “regime” it was not clear which regime. The current one? Because you used that phrase in contexts when the current government was not in government. So have all Israeli governments been unacceptable? And are all members of the current “regime” unacceptable too?
You also refer to the current war as a “corrupt war” with no mention of what began it ; a savage bloodbath by Hamas against civilians, intimate eye to eye personal violence. What is corrupt about it? I’m sorry but I had to switch off because those gently scattered “mis-speaks” do similar things you are saying the ABC is doing
Free the hostages. That would be an easy solution
Is this guy serious? I recall lots of people going on about “not all Muslims” every time a bus full of commuters blew up and all the bogus fears about anti-Muslim pograms that were sure to break out any day now (but never did) following the latest beheading of a school teacher, reporter or tourist. But in this telling all Jews worldwide are responsible for what Netanyahu does? If he’s serious I hope he won’t pretend that he’ll treat Jews any differently if they do what he demands. Jew hatred always keeps the goalposts on wheels. He’ll just find something else to blame on them.
Get fucked.
If we were genocidal the war would have been over on October 8th.
The crimes were committed on Oct 7th by Hamas Islamic jihad and the civilians of Gaza.
I often don’t have the attention span or stamina to watch long broadcasts but I did watch this one. Thank you- I hope others did as well. Not so different in US.
You’re an idiot. Sorry. No clue about world history. Hope you get a clue sometime.
What an imbecile 🤯
You’re an antisemitic POS
Josh, I wish everyone talked about problems as complicated as this in the way you do, entertaining every nuance, understanding every complex varying interest and influence bearing on the whole difficult incredibly intractable knot. There’s no solution at the end, but understanding the extent of the difficulty, I have to believe, is an essential step to getting to one. And very few provide that step quite like you. The ABC is certainly currently broken if they don’t want the likes of you on board.
I love you Josh.
So based on some selective evidence your view essentially is that all Palestinians must be killed. To say that none of them want peace is to say they are all legitimate targets. It’s true that a lot of Palestinians are not interested in two state solutions just like a lot of Israelis are not… like all people there are a range of opinions. You are allowing the debate to be controlled by the extremes - as we see clearly in Israeli political life nowadays
Many people think that israeli 75+ years of terrorism and mass murder and these 16 months of genocide has been a history and present that Cries to God to remove nationhood from Zionist Supremist, and if they are referring to his and many israelis deaths if Iran use missiles, then they are stating the likely truth.
For perspective;
If someone drove me and my family from my house and land and decided to form a new nation that removed my rights and locked me in an open air prison where new military weapons were tested and videos of those I care about or identify with are videoed dying horribly to sell those weapons and to reduce the captured tormented and tortured population, etc. .. then some elite person living off our land, our blood, our tortured people and the tax money of some enslaved other nation and that recent polls indicate 90% of the citizens of that genocidal nation support their actions of war-crimes and 16 months of mass killings so many people .. WTF is wrong with people in this level of hell, you can not do what I just outlined, image the Palestinians as human beings like you and me and the Holy Pig-shit Zionists and the USA and the world has done to them, walk in their shoes and you too might start thinking nuke WWIII killing 3+ billions might be a small price to pay for the survivors to be free of this world-wide Satanic Zionist grip of suffering, torment, corruptions, horrors, war, murder, torture, death and Hell those soul-eating Demons wrapped in human skin, ..
.. I might suggest that such life-soul-blood sucking demonic-controlled people could all be tied to a post that thanked, again, and again with ice-picks to their bodies and heads.
What kind of mind-raped castrated belly-crawling Zionist-strap-on licker would not think and feel this general way? You?
But since it seems like his insane Zionist Supremacists leaders and gov are likely to attack Iran that their thousands of missiles might be sent to level israel. Then a warning of the type that many or most israelis will die soon seems like a relevant statement holding high probability of truth.
Also, I think Josh suggested that the Golan Heights was “retaken” by Israel, suggesting it was originally part of Israel. My understanding is that Golan was part of the French mandate part of the Syrian Republic from 1946. If I have misheard Josh and/or have the history wrong, please set me straight.